Ordinarily I delve into Nickelodeon because I’m surfing on a lazy Sunday, and lacking substance in the form of Grim Adventures or a nice block of Mythbusters I find myself tossing about in the world of SpongeBob. (Ben 10 is tolerable, but only just barely, and I wonder how long it’ll take for Ben/Gwen hentai to hit the net, assuming it hasn’t already.*)
So this last weekend I stumbled across an almost Beatlesish song called “Crazy Car”, which I admit has a good hook and is nicely rendered, and learned it’s a preliminary to a new show on Nick that is debuting in late January, something they call The Naked Brothers Band.
Which would be cute, but the brothers in question are aged eleven and eight. The first two names that came to my mind were Michael Jackson and Mark Foley. (As in “NBB was directed by … and produced by…” respectively.) Naked Brothers Band … Is it really possible that no one at Nickelodeon thought, Hey, maybe we could call the show anything else at all?
A once-over of the Web page tells me not much, but I can infer a great deal; this is basically a warmed-over Partridge Family for tweens. It seems inane and insipid, but geared toward doing what parents want least to have happen: Giving moisties to their ten-year-old daughters.**
Look, I’m a liberal; I have been all my adult life, and I expect to be until I die. But that does not mean I like the idea of any for-profit, commercial network making money off of turning tween life into some bizarre, quasi-valid pursuit of boyfriends, dating or making out. No kid at ten needs to be talking about his or her relationship. Until the kid gives up Legos or Barbie, sex is too soon.***
Even the term “tween” was invented by marketing dimwits, many of them possibly the ones behind the selling of “NBB”. 2007 is going to be a year of intense and deeply-wrought chaos for parents of kids aged nine to twelve. And a lot of it is likely to be because of this “NBB” thing, I suspect.
Several years ago I wrote a book called The Beasts of Delphos. It’s a coming-of-age novel that starts when its protagonist, Barris, as about twelve years of age, and it follows his exploits into his late teens. In that novel, I describe — obliquely, and in depth, but not pornographic depth — Barris’s life, including his sex life. He has a male lover, and is deeply involved in intimacy with several women as well; and yet, I’m disturbed by the NBB idea.
Not because it relaxes sexual mores; and not because it may or may not change how we see tweens — though, given the general discomfort in the US about how interested preteens seem to be in adult behavior, this should be a little disturbing to at least some parents. It’s because of the intent of one versus that of the other. Beasts of Delphos was written by an adult, for adults; it was and is not intended to be consumed by children. NBB, on the other hand, is all about being by, for and targeted at kids who don’t even have hair enough to know what sex actually is.
Problem?
If an extreme liberal like me is lifting a warning flag, well yeah, maybe.
Parents, here’s my advice to you: Channel-block Nickelodeon and buy a Wii, right now. You’ll be vastly, profoundly glad you did in less than eighteen months when you compare notes with people who didn’t heed this warning.
And buy condoms, just in case. (They might even have the NBB logo on them. I bet they glow and are covered in polka dots.) Not for your own kids; they’re to give to the parents who didn’t read this note, when they ask if their kids can have a NBB Slumber Party at your house.
No, no — I’m not seriously suggesting that this vapid kids’ cable thing is going to destroy your ethical hold on your children. But even the liberal I am, even after reviewing the Nick site that seems to be at great pains to emphasize the “strong moral center” of the show, I’ve been watching the material that Nick is cranking out to promote their new series — and I, liberal, atheist, marginal hedonist — I am made a little uneasy by it.
That should worry the hell out of almost anyone.
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* Didn’t Google, don’t want to know, so don’t post links.
** And, to be sure, stimulating the occasional ten-year-old boy.
*** And even then, it’s probably too soon; it’s up to the parents to help their children decide, not some cell-phone-in-the-ear marketroid sales tard.
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by Warren
31 Jan 2007 at 07:59
Pathetic.
Hey, “Ally’s Mom Janet”, here’s how your posts read:
“Dear Principle, please exqueeze my dotter’s absince frum skool todday. She was not ditching! She had a tempacher of 120 degreez and wuz hoam sick. Sinned, My Mom.”
In twenty or so years, after you’ve grown up and had a couple of kids of your own, you’ll understand just how sad your little diatribes were.
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by Pia-Allison
31 Jan 2007 at 13:43
What the heck big deal.…. its just a show and its what kids talk about when adults don’t get in their way its funny and shows children they need to drink milk(don’t ask me cause it’s in the movie) i am 11 years old (the same age as nat) AND NO THEY DO NOT GO ON STAGE NUDE THEY JUST CALLED THEMSELVES THAT BECAUSE THEY STARTED THEIR BAND WHEN NAT WAS 4 AND WHEN ALEX WAS 1… so that kind of explains it and i think nat is cute because he can sing write songs and play the piano and this movie teaches kids to follow their dreams.… so if you have nothing good to say don’t say it at all i love this show and again i am 11 no name of the band will hold me back for liking them if parents took the time to watch a show with their kids they wouldn’t be soo worried…
♥♥Pia (Nat’s next girlfriend) lolzz
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by Pia-Allison
31 Jan 2007 at 14:02
Don’t even make fun of Ally i am her age and she is right LEAVE YOUR KIDS ALONE no matter what YOU do they will grow up the way they WANT too not the way you want them to cause once they reach that age when they move out YOU WONT be there to tell them “DON’t watch that naked brothers band” and theres nothing wrong with them that thing about the boobs big deal he is 6 or 7 years old so cut him some slack don’t you DARE ANYBODY make fun of them if you don’t want your chidlren to watch it don’t but don’t ruin it for all the “right minded” parents who let them watch the naked brothers band.….. there are millions and billions of parents who do let their children watch the naked brothers band (including my parents) my CATHOLIC SCHOOL even likes them my parents didn’t even need to do any research because if you have a life and watch tv you would know that there is NOTHING WRONG and don’t get to saying i am too young i am responsible and everything just like that ally girl so leave her and me and the naked brothers band alone.… Oh and to that person who was “looking” for that video with alex and his tutor screw you! what are you doing looking for everything wrong about them if i level it out it is a good show.… so don’t even try putting it out of air cause there will be more than a billion kids rebelling to that.… (and i know your thinking wow she knows big words) 11 years old in your days and 11 years old now is not the same if you want to go back in time go for yourslef but don’t mess up our time…
♥♥Pia
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by Mike M.
31 Jan 2007 at 16:27
Wow…that was very insightful Pia.
Well I’m not gonna patronize you for being young (I used to be a kid too … infact I miss it), but I will say this:
You said “if you have a life and watch tv you would know that there is NOTHING WRONG” — um … last time I checked, ppl who watch TV all day don’t really have a life.
lol but thats not the point — heres the thing: If you’re mature enough to know it’s ‘not good’ to let boys shove their face in your breasts (which I hope are not developed yet) then .. good for you. If the boys are mature enough to know that screaming I want boobies is immature — and the only reason its cute is because Alex is a ‘little little’ kid…then good for them.
But not all kids are as smart as you… or … smart at all. So…letting kids watch this show who arent able to “think for themselves” is just as bad as letting retarded children watch SpongeBob — it’s only gonna make them stupidter — yes you heard me — “stupidter” lol.
You get what I’m saying? The show’s not bad so long as you don’t worship these kids and copy EVERYTHING they do. Do you honestly think Michael Jackson fans go around touching boys just because he said it’s okay? Not at all (I hope) — they like him for his music but realize it’s not a smart idea to stick your hand down a kid’s pants. Wow…that was a very messed up analogy.
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by Mike M.
31 Jan 2007 at 16:30
Correction: “I like boobies” or “I wanna squeeze boobies” — obviously Alex doesnt “want” boobies because well…he’s a boy.
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by Warren
01 Feb 2007 at 07:47
If he’s got a latent case of gender dysmorphia, anything’s possible.
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by Danielle
01 Feb 2007 at 18:33
Well first of all Pia-Allison, “once they reach that age when they move out YOU WONT be there to tell them “DON’t watch that naked brothers band””, frankly when they’re old enough to make decisions for themselves, I’m more then sure 1. NNB’s won’t even been airing anymore. 2. They wouldn’t want to watch the show in the first place 3. Once they move out, they’re more then mature enough to know what to watch and what not to watch, without a parent watching over them.
“Oh and to that person who was “looking” for that video with alex and his tutor screw you!” — You don’t have to be looking for dirt on the band, to stumble on this video(s). When I came across this video, I was researching the band, and it happend to pop-up.
“so don’t even try putting it out of air cause there will be more than a billion kids rebelling to that…” — It dosen’t matter if its one child to a billion children, it frankly isn’t up to them, its up to the parents.
“You said “if you have a life and watch tv you would know that there is NOTHING WRONG” — um … last time I checked, ppl who watch TV all day don’t really have a life.” Yes, have to agree with you there, Mike M.
Last, but not least, if children do have weak minds, they’ll copy off of T.V shows. If they are strong minded, as Mike says, then yes, they’ll know to brush it off their shoulder and get on with their lives, but kids who are in the middle, which a lot of kids are around the young ages, can get influences in any way.
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by nbb r ok............ok.
03 Feb 2007 at 11:26
im a guy and I like ther music iam 12 and im not a kid who is obcesed w/ them but i woud be gratful 2 b in ther band i can sing and i go 2 a scool of the arts and besides if ur in 7th grade and remember the 4&5graders u know how kids act so everyone just stop if the nbb heard this they woud pobably cry so stop because ur just bulling some 7 and 10 yr olds & its probably very hard bieng famous at any lv & ur all makin it harder & the reason im defending them is because we kids stick together
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by ally
03 Feb 2007 at 13:52
*Got a promblem…Solve it Cant stand me…Sit down!! Cant face me…Turn around!! Thnk im trippn…then tie my shoes* Do ya get what i’m saying?? well its true and to Pia you are very cool!! and thats true you were a kid once i mean for all the people on here who knows how long ago that was though but im a kid now im gonna have my fun and i dont care about what any of you haters have to say! i bet you people who dont let your kids watch nbb think your all frickin that and stuff but no one here wants to know or care about it and you know what to the bit.…. i mean person who wrote “if you have a life and watch tv you would know that there is NOTHING WRONG *{i agree thx pia for that}* — “um … last time I checked, ppl who watch TV all day don’t really have a life.” ok well first of all were kids we cant watch tv all day like you people here i have lots and lots of time and ocasionally i come on here and tell my mind i am a bitchy little 11 yr old ok well get it through your heads im not your best friend im your WORST ENEMY to the haterz
Mike M wrote “But not all kids are as smart as you… or … smart at all.” Every single kid is smart in there own way even if they are mentally ill everyone is smart except maybe you because you just insulted me and everyone that is a child or a human being so that was a pretty smart thing to do!!!!!! i saw there movie last night and it was cute ok!!!! i liked it you people on here {except the people who think its a good band} need to get off your lazy butt and not look it up on the computer do your research by watching the show those are two way different things you cant always live off the computer there is more life out there than ya think! obviously and hey warren that was very rude you dont see me goin and talk crap bout people like that i mean i dont sink that low not even close i just speak my mind but you went too far well to everyone ill talk maybe later
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by Tom
04 Feb 2007 at 08:49
Gee Warren, you must lead a pretty exciting life. People like you crack me up. Why waste time expressing your worthless opinions online when you could be rounding up some of your tree-huggin’,latte drinkin’ “friends” and picketing outside Nickelodeon Headquarters. Have you watched any kids tv lately? They all contain something a little suspect. It doesn’t make it ok to watch, but that’s just the way it is and it’s up to us as parents to choose what our kids watch. You’re probably the idiot who started all that crap about SpongeBob being a homosexual and that he’s pure evil. So while your kids are locked in their closets memorizing the New Testament maybe you could think about loosening up a bit. Just think, you probably would have never even found this website if you hadn’t Googled “naked brothers” while surfing for your adult sites.
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by DayTripper
04 Feb 2007 at 12:37
“But not all kids are as smart as you… or … smart at all. So…letting kids watch this show who arent able to “think for themselves”
Aern’t there a ton of shows out there much, much worse then this one? if you have a T.V in your house are your kids not going to be exposed to these kinds of things?
If you did a good job raising your kids, which I presume a lot of you have since you’re all very concerened with this new show, which I actually see as harmless (The boobie antics and the soda-holic content is “Cute” at best.)Then what do you have to worry about? What are you afraid is going to happen to your kids?
As for the child posting his name/ number/ adress, I am sure Nysncs or Brittney Spear’s (or any pop sensation for that matter) has a mail box full of the same crap.
Kids acting like adults? seen it many times before and it gets a cheap laugh everytime…
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by Mike M.
04 Feb 2007 at 14:23
Hmm…well, you say Danielle that the show is encouraging kids to grow up faster, right? I actually think the opposite — to an extent.
In regards to the kids’ over-dramatized “rock star life”, and them frequently talking about relationships, chicks, and hot cars — then yes, I agree with you on that.
But at the same time, these kids still laugh at poop jokes and the word “boobies” so … I think it’s just embarassing … for all of them.
I mean you look at Alex saying “I like boobies” and you say to yourself “omg, he is only 6 yrs old! He shouldn’t be thinking about that!” while I say “wtf? These kids are still laughing at the word boobies, why don’t they grow up?”
So in regards to the effect this show has on kids, I think it’s playing tug o’ war with itself — it has kids talking about relationships but then they laugh at the word boobies.
So…at this point, I really don’t care about the appropriateness of it, it’s just the fact that … it’s really painful to watch. God help my 10 yr old cousin becomes like these kids.
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by Mike M.
04 Feb 2007 at 14:28
OH wait! I think i just had an epiphany
“it has kids talking about relationships but then they laugh at the word boobies.”
That may very well be the non-technical definition of a tween/preteen! They’re no longer a kid anymore but they’re not yet a teenager — they’re kinda stuck in the middle right before they hit adolescance — soooooo .… maybe this show actually has a reason for the immature jokes and sexual innuendo?
Now isn’t that food for thought
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by pat
04 Feb 2007 at 14:42
IM 10 i think that the nbb is ok. an they r all talented for there age. this show is a comedy show so i bet most of this is acting. it is ok for kids that age to start “liking” people of the other gender. those videos were probley made from some perv who is bored an wants to give the nbb a bad name all the stuff your kids see they will go through them selfs so this will help prepare them. SO all partens let your kids whatch it
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by Brittany
04 Feb 2007 at 20:04
It’s not a bad show. Sure sometimes Alex says stuff about girls, but it’s not a big deal at all! Obviously these are some talented kids. If you’re going to make stupid comments about a KIDS show then that’s pretty low. Plus Nat is 11 not 10 and Rosalina (Allie)is about 13. A lot of kids there age are dating now (I would know because I’m around that age). Maybe you should rethink about what you say when you join us in the 21st century. Everybody who has kids should let them watch this show. And why are you making fun of kids?! haha your cool. You talk about how there so not grown up and I’m thinking the same way about you. So here’s some advice.
SHUT THE HELL UP!
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by Warren
05 Feb 2007 at 09:04
Tom: To accuse me of being an “idiot” who forces kids to read the Bible is to be completely, abysmally unaware of every other post on this site; it seems you didn’t even bother to read the post to which you were attempting a response.
Brittany: You are a guest here, and I expect you to behave accordingly. Disagree with commenters or posts as much as you want, but do not tell others to shut the hell up.
Ally: In your earlier posts you pretended to be an adult woman. I correctly pointed out that you were spoofing. That’s not rude; it’s exposing a fact. You’re welcome to comment, but if you’re going to pretend to be something you obviously are not, you have to expect to get called out on it. I’m sorry your feelings were hurt.
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by Danielle
05 Feb 2007 at 15:41
“Hmm…well, you say Danielle that the show is encouraging kids to grow up faster, right? I actually think the opposite — to an extent.”
I dont see anywhere in my comment where I said those words, nor trying to express it.
“Plus Nat is 11 not 10 and Rosalina (Allie)is about 13. A lot of kids there age are dating now (I would know because I’m around that age).”
I’m aware children date at this age, and I’m also aware that it’s not untill your late 20’s or early 30’s until you start actually making right decisions.
“this show is a comedy show so i bet most of this is acting.”
In parents eyes, its not comedy to shove your face into women’s breasts and try to date someone 10 years older then you.
Also, what’s the point of these people stating their age on this? By saying you are anything under the age of around 18, your basically saying “Hey I’ll post here, but it dosen’t really matter because I’m not even old enough to make right decisions for myself.”
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by DayTripper
05 Feb 2007 at 16:16
Danielle– You’re a beast women!
You’re shredding a ten year old and calling everyone else immature? hypocrisy, much?
That is completely ridiculous to say that anyone who’s under 18 shouldn’t/ couldn’t possibly have an opinion that matters or procure a statement of any significance.
Is that how you treat your kids? Saying that they’re worthless, “they don’t have a voice” or an opinion that matters. It’s ok to protect your children too an EXTENT, but god damn women let them breathe a little bit.
Besides I would check yourself before calling others childish, as of right now I’m haveing a hard time distinguishing who is a kid in these posts and who is not (yours included).
See who you have on your side now Warren? the super conservative over-protective mothers, now you really got to question yourself when they start flocking to your side…
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by Danielle
05 Feb 2007 at 16:48
DayTripper, if you pay attention to previous posts, I stated that I am not a parent.
To you, it may seem that me saying that people who are under 18 shouldn’t post, seems mean. Feel free to let that bother you as much as you want. It’s not my problem that you let the truth bother you.
Why do you think there are laws that say, you can’t drive untill your the age of 18. No voting untill 18. No drinking until your 21. They have these laws because people over the age of 18, make better and smarted decisions then children. It’s scientific proof that adults make better decisions. Its one of the most known facts out there. If the world was ran by children making decisions, then the world would be total chaos. If you don’t know this by now, then go back to school.
And if I did have children, i’d tell them exactly what I was taught. I’d teach my children that, Yes your opinions mean nothing until you make a living by yourself. If you live in a house where you get free food, and a free roof over your head, then you will obey whoever is giving you these things. You are able to have your opinions, but they won’t count until you know exactly what your doing.
Sure, I think there are things that parent’s should let their children be exposed to, but I won’t state my opnions because I’m not a parent yet. So I don’t fully grasp the total veiws of parenthood, but I spend time with my young nephews and neices and brothers and sisters, and I’m motherly towards them, so to this topic, I have the right to state anything.
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by Danielle
05 Feb 2007 at 16:52
Oops. Sorry I forgot to mention something before I hit Submit.
“See who you have on your side now Warren? the super conservative over-protective mothers, now you really got to question yourself when they start flocking to your side…”
The only people I see one Warren’s side, and the more intellegent, and concerned adults. So go ahead, ranting that Warren dosen’t have any good back-up. If I were you, I’d be concerned about MY back-up. All I see on your side are 10 year olds saying how cute the boys in that band are.
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by Stephen
05 Feb 2007 at 18:08
I think that people should not only say things that are only opinion.
Like, if you like the way they look then they can do any thing they want.
Or, you don’t like their music then everything about them is offensive or obscene, and nobody should watch them or they should die or some other very unpleasent experience.
I think people should say what is true and fact.
It has been said many times that ‘Naked Brothers Band’ is just a name and why that is their name. People are more concerned with the thinbgs they’re doing and the content of the show, so people can stop repeatedly saying it over and again.
And name-calling, trash-talking, whatever else you want to call it, of other people here, just because you don’t agree with their opinions, should not be happening. It is not like you would have any idea if any of the things that you say about each other is at all true, and none of it has anything to do with what is meant to be talked about here.
About the fact that children are sending messages to NBB with personal information, trying to have the band contact them… any actor, singer, or any other kind of celebrity will probably have the same kind of thing, so I don’t think that NBB is introducing a new problem. And I am not saying that it is not important that this type of thing doesn’t happen.
I believe that Danielle’s idea that the opinions of people under the age of eighteen are not important, and that they cannot make decisions on their own, is completely, well… wrong.
Think about when you are in high school and you aer deciding what kind of career you want and what college to go to. Or what about their opinions about what food they like or don’t like, or what sports they like or might want to participate in.
So I’m not just referring to people who watch NBB. I am referring to all of them in general.
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by Stephen
05 Feb 2007 at 19:04
To Nate and others who think that NBB is ‘bad at music’. That is your opinion, and not everyone has the same opinion as you. There are many people who would say that they really like there music.
So I’m saying that the show (or any other show, for that matter) shouldn’t be cancelled just because YOU don’t like the music.
I know that there are other reasons that people think NBB should be cancelled for other reasons. And Nate had said ‘the NBB should be cancelled because they are bad at music, and bad for young viewers’ minds’, so he wasn’t one saying that bad music was the only reason, but I think that because it is only his opinion therefore it, to me, isn’t a ‘reason’, at all.
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by DayTripper
05 Feb 2007 at 23:10
my sumbit button isnt working, what gives?
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by DayTripper
05 Feb 2007 at 23:10
This is what I have been saying… Stephen= Fo’ Prez.
Yes, saying people who are under 18 shouldn’t post because they have nothing worthy to say is “mean,” but it is also untrue. [See Stephen’s post.]– Since I believe he said it best.
Oh yes! People over 18 are soooo much more responsible then people younger, if we had kids voting then they might elect a Movie Star into a high-ranking political position!! Or a bumbling baboon into the presidency. Oh wait… George Bush… Arnold Schwarzenegger. Huh?
It makes so much more sense too exclude the younger generation from the voting process, seeing as there the ones who will be impacted most by the decision these “responsible adult’s” are making…
The drinking age in most European countries is around 14 and yet they don’t suffer as much substance abuse as we do here in America. They don’t have the same kind of “get drunk till you can’t feel feelings” mentality that we have in America, not because the younger people are irresponsible.
Oh and I’m so glad you’re willing to promote the perpetual ideology of ‘Self-Worthlessness,’ because we all know that it’s very adherent to a Child’s Self-esteem that they be told that their opinions don’t count, or matter the slightest. I’m sure you will make a great mother Danielle…
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by Danielle
06 Feb 2007 at 04:42
“Think about when you are in high school and you aer deciding what kind of career you want and what college to go to. Or what about their opinions about what food they like or don’t like, or what sports they like or might want to participate in.”
In most cases, when it comes to high school students choosing their careers, usally they are influenced by other family members. In today’s society, most high school students weren’t raised right and end up droping out of school, getting pregnant at the age of 15, not having college even cross their minds. It’s not the matter if high school students ARE able to make a decision on what they want to do in the future, it’s the matter if they choose a correct decision or not.
Apparently none of you are understanding where I’m trying to go with this.
“I think people should say what is true and fact.”
I agree with that.
“Oh yes! People over 18 are soooo much more responsible then people younger, if we had kids voting then they might elect a Movie Star into a high-ranking political position!! Or a bumbling baboon into the presidency. Oh wait… George Bush… Arnold Schwarzenegger. Huh?”
Yeah right. I’m against George Bush, but if you look on the other side of it, George Bush and his administration are pretty smart. They were smart enough to scare everyone in America into voting for them. They were smart enough to keep scaring America, so they stay in the White House. Yes it is true, the majority of American’s are idiots, and it’s hard to believe that these idiots, are rasing their children to be idiots as well.
DayTripper, if your not able to see that most American’s are dumbasses, and what will happen when all those dumbasses raise children, then you must be blind.
“The drinking age in most European countries is around 14 and yet they don’t suffer as much substance abuse as we do here in America.”
Here’s yet another example of what I’m saying. American’s are IDIOTS. Europeans have been taught CORRECTLY. Are you catching my drift yet?
I’m not going to continue sitting here, trying my best to make you people understand the way this country is, and the truth of it all.
“Oh and I’m so glad you’re willing to promote the perpetual ideology of ‘Self-Worthlessness,’ because we all know that it’s very adherent to a Child’s Self-esteem that they be told that their opinions don’t count, or matter the slightest.”
People find the best at what they were raised to, and I was raised to this. Sure it seems hard and mean, but it makes a person better when they are pushed hard to overcome things like this. But of course, everyone today makes their children spoiled as hell and then the children are raised like Bush was raised. But I have to agree, once in a great while, a smart child is born. All you have to hope is that their parent’s won’t corrupt them.
“my sumbit button isnt working, what gives?”
Either your IP address was rejected or it was just site lag.
“therefore it, to me, isn’t a ‘reason’, at all.”
Anything can be considered a reason if you have logical back-up for it.
“I’m sure you will make a great mother Danielle…”
Yeah I’m pretty sure too.
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by Wel Zen
06 Feb 2007 at 04:51
You all are out of your minds… have you even watched this show? It’s based on Nat and Alex’s actual band called The Naked Brothers band, Nickelodian didn’t make the title to turn on 10 year olds. The show is a comedy and has nothing to do with sex. If Picard were here he’d be sighing up a storm at you all.
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by Warren
06 Feb 2007 at 08:58
I’m not reading a sense from Danielle that kids’ opinions don’t matter; but they can — and should — be overruled by adults, particularly when acting in the kids’ interests. I think that’s the core of her outlook on this subject, though I could be wrong.
The suggestion that Danielle is some kind of ultra-right-wing conservative, while probably intended to be an incendiary comment directed at both her and me, is irrelevant as well as unfounded. It’s ironic that those who counsel against coming to snap decisions about the NBB show are suggesting that it’s valid to make snap decisions about the worth of a person’s opinion based on his or her politics.
The fact is that the NBB movie featured repeated comments about squeezing boobies from a breast-obsessed seven-year-old. That the movie is a work of fiction only (to my mind) makes things worse, because that means adults had to put those jokes into Alex’s mouth, and had to stage the sequence where he’s staring down his “babysitter’s” cleavage. This, to me, does not show particularly sound judgment on the part of the adults involved in the making of the movie. Remember this “sitter” might be his aunt IRL; that just makes the whole damn thing a little more creepy.
BTW, I was right about the derivation of the series. Next week we have Nat trying to become a comedian; this is hand-in-glove with a cringeworthy Partridge Family ep wherein Danny, upset because his voice is changing, tries to work comedy into his act.
Again, to be totally, completely clear on this — the music isn’t awful, but it’s not brilliant; I don’t care what the name of the show is; that it’s derivative isn’t a point of contention. Inanity is not a crime; banality is not a jailable offense.
What concerns me is the show’s content, and the suggestion — which seems to be a constant theme — that children are as wise and world-knowledgable as adults, and can and should be involved in interpersonal relationships that exceed their years.
This sets up in the minds of the viewers the myth that they are sophisticated, worldly-wise people capable of smart-assing their way through life, without whom adults would just be sad, bumbling retards. This isn’t simply a foolish fantasy; it’s an insult to the parents, teachers and other involved people without whom these little buggers would simply be wild savages, either going Lord of the Flies on each other — or simply dying of starvation.
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by blake
06 Feb 2007 at 11:34
All you liberals at the top are retarded especially the 1 saying they cut out nick b/c his son said “the naked brothers band rocks” so wat whoop dee doooo.
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by Mike M.
06 Feb 2007 at 12:43
To Danielle:
(You): “I dont see anywhere in my comment where I said those words, nor trying to express it.”
(You earlier): “It is horrible how today’s corrupted world, is now influencing our children. If it weren’t for these raper’s out there with their “pimps” and “ho’s” and other corrupted people, the NBB would probably never act the way they are acting. Wearing tatoos, trying to catch female attention when they aren’t even mature enough to know what ‘boobies’ are.”
You stated that they’re not even mature enough to know what boobies are — which would logically mean that by using the word boobies in the show, they’re trying to make the kids grow up/mature faster. I’m sorry if I misinterpreted in that.
In response to everyone: My biggest objection is that the show fails at humor. It’s as if they’re trying to use the shock value of immature references to “liking boobies” and kissing in order to attract their viewers. And like Danielle stated, Americans are stupid, which means their kids are stupid, which means many kids will likely take this show the wrong way.
In my opinion, by 8–10 yrs old you should know what boobies are (some sucked on them as a baby), and it shouldnt be an issue. But some parents are REALLY overprotective, which means the minute their kid is exposed to ANYTHING objectional, its going to influence them far more dramatically than if the parent exposed their child gradually all along.
So its not really the shows fault, its really just bad parenting. With the exception of that kid licking her breasts (lucky him), I don’t think anything was completely out of line.
Again, if they get rid of the unfunny boobie jokes and have these kids sing about stuff they can realistically relate to, I think it’ll do fine.
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by Brittany
06 Feb 2007 at 16:45
“Hey I’ll post here, but it dosen’t really matter because I’m not even old enough to make right decisions for myself.”
Kids obviously don’t say that. You wouldn’t think that kids have to make important decisions but they do all the time. It’s called pure pressure. Ever heard of it? Plus if a kid states whats on their mind then its really important. And all of the people here that think that kids opinions dont even matter are really stupid. It’s because most parents don’t take the time to even listen to their kids. And thats a known fact.
If this show ever got canceled then it would effect millions of YOUNG ADULTS. The only reason that you think it’s stupid is because your older. And if your older then obviously your going to have a different taste in music, movies, and TV shows. Basically if your saying that kids can’t make the right decisions for themselves then your saying that were retarded or something.
Oh and are you that pathetic to have to worry about a TV show on nickelodeon. I mean how old are you? 20–50 years old?
Mike M.- So its not really the shows fault, its really just bad parenting. With the exception of that kid licking her breasts (lucky him), I don’t think anything was completely out of line.
What the heck are you talking about? There was no kid licking a girls boobs.
Stop maing fun of them. There kids and oyur adults. Wow your so cool just cuz you have the ability to make fun of an 8 and 11 year old.
DayTripper– Is that how you treat your kids? Saying that they’re worthless, “they don’t have a voice” or an opinion that matters. It’s ok to protect your children too an EXTENT, but god damn women let them breathe a little bit.
I totally agree with you!!
Danielle– I’m aware children date at this age, and I’m also aware that it’s not untill your late 20’s or early 30’s until you start actually making right decisions.
Do you know anything about being a kid? Obviously no. Your like suffocating your kids.
Heres a tip — Stop being overprotective moms. Your kids will thank you for it. See kids can have good opinions too. Just listen to your kids and here what they have to say. Not everything can go your way. Once oyu start trying to protect them, there going to get sick of it and go off and do something bad that youll hate.
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by Danielle
06 Feb 2007 at 16:55
The rate this debate is going, it’s really not going anywhere. Because random people will just start poping in and stating their opinions, and we all will have to continue repeating ourselves. So there’s no more point trying to see who’s right and wrong.
“(You earlier): “It is horrible how today’s corrupted world, is now influencing our children. If it weren’t for these raper’s out there with their “pimps” and “ho’s” and other corrupted people, the NBB would probably never act the way they are acting. Wearing tatoos, trying to catch female attention when they aren’t even mature enough to know what ‘boobies’ are.”
You stated that they’re not even mature enough to know what boobies are — which would logically mean that by using the word boobies in the show, they’re trying to make the kids grow up/mature faster. I’m sorry if I misinterpreted in that.”
Funny, im quoting a quote I said.
Yes, I believe you did misinterpret what I ment or had said, but now you see it now. You see what I’ve been trying to say… Well somewhat, but your’s is good enough.
“And like Danielle stated, Americans are stupid, which means their kids are stupid, which means many kids will likely take this show the wrong way.”
Yes, finally another person who is seeing this correctly.
By saying many parents teach their children wrong, thusly most kids will be growing up the wrong way, it dosen’t matter because it’s not like we can really do anything. All you can hope for is for smarter adults and children make right decisions.
I have nothing more to say about this. Clearly Mike M and Warren’s point of veiws, say everything.
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by Brittany
06 Feb 2007 at 17:06
Kids CAN make there own decisions. and they have to all the time. it’s called pure pressure. EVER HEARD OF IT?
Maybe you should just listen to your kids. They have a lot to say and most of it is important. But most parents are so stupid, because they don’t take the time to listen to their kids.
Plus stop making fun of the naked brothers band. Do you think your cool, because you can make fun of an 8 and 11 year old. Maybe you should pay attention to your own kids other than these kids.
Most of the things that you say about them is exaggeration. There not bad kids. They were called the naked brothers band because they were naked when they were little and because they are brothers. Plus it’s not like alex is kissing a 22 year old girl. Most of the stuff they say is kids stuff because they were 6 and 9. But it’s a kids show and its on nickelodeon. So the show was made for kids. I dont think that they would have a disgusting show (or so you describe it as)if kids were watching it. It doesn’t teach kids anything bad. Even though Alex has a crush on a older girl it doesn’t mean that hes going to go out with her! He just has a crush on someone older than him. It’s happened to everyone! You guys are acting so stupid about all of this.
And heres a tip– If your preventing your kid form watching this show then your most likely an over-protective mom. Do your kids a favor and chill out. If you treat them like babies for their whole life then there never going to grow up and they’ll eventually end up doing something that you don’t want them to do, because they’re being suffocated.
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by Mike M.
06 Feb 2007 at 18:56
Here, u wanna know what NBB does to severely impressionable preteens, look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryKoeJcIgCg
FYI, no, I do not go on youtube lookin’ up little boys — but this happened to come up when searching for that NBB video of Alex and the babysitter.
And if you click on his username, this kid has his own site of other useless crap: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=jeremy5119
Also, fyi, I’m being sarcastic about this kid being influenced by the show. Regardless, it’s still … amusing? I don’t even know what to make of this…
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by Danielle
06 Feb 2007 at 18:56
“It’s called pure pressure.” — Last time I’ve checked, it was called Peer Pressure.
“The only reason that you think it’s stupid is because your older. And if your older then obviously your going to have a different taste in music, movies, and TV shows.” — It dosen’t matter if we have different tastes in music. It dosen’t matter if we’re older. It’s the fact that children will listen to parents no matter what.
“Basically if your saying that kids can’t make the right decisions for themselves then your saying that were retarded or something.” — It isn’t that children are retarded or anything along those lines. It’s the fact that children and teenagers still are growing, and so are their minds. When you look back at something you’ve done years ago, most of the time you’ll say “What was I thinking back then?”, that’s because when you get older, your mind opens up more and you notice what you haven’t noticed before.
“Oh and are you that pathetic to have to worry about a TV show on nickelodeon. I mean how old are you? 20–50 years old?” — You apparently aren’t paying attention to anything. The only reason we were arguing over this topic was because of the content being protrayed to children.
“Stop maing fun of them. There kids and oyur adults. Wow your so cool just cuz you have the ability to make fun of an 8 and 11 year old.” — No where in these topics do I see anyone making ‘FUN’ of this band. All I see are intellectuals discussing actions this band, or band members, do and that we don’t approve of.
“Once oyu start trying to protect them, there going to get sick of it and go off and do something bad that youll hate.” — Yes, it is a fact that parents who tend to over protect children, cause children to rebell and do decisions they don’t really want to do. But if you do over protect your children, you need to also know how to raise your children right, so they won’t rebell or do actions you won’t approve of.
Also Brittney, I don’t know why you are bringing up the NBB’s name up again, when in previous posts we all agreed that the name wasn’t apart of anything important.
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by DayTripper
06 Feb 2007 at 19:28
I’ve never been interested in ‘Bubble-Gum’ Pop music, but I do enjoy the beatle-esque twist to their music and the Hooks are quiet addictive. Still: (unfortunately) Nat is no John Lennon– Give em a couple years
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by DayTripper
06 Feb 2007 at 19:29
Anyway, yes Danielle I see your point: a lot of stupid Americans raising a lot of stupid children. Which is sort of what I was trying to get at– Just because you’re over 18 doesn’t automatically make you a responsible adult with meaningful opinions and just because your under 18 doesn’t make you an irresponsible child with nothing meaningful to say. (In fact in most instances I see children acting more mature then say a college student)
Anyway: I still think NBB is harmless and agree with Mike that the humor in the show fails and lacks substance. But they’re real musicians, not actors.
But yes… this argument is going nowhere, besides we all know Warren is just a Nintendo missionary, here to get your children addicted to his products (Like: the Wii and the DS) instead of this new pop sensation: “The Naked Brothers Band.” HeHe. =D
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by Danielle
06 Feb 2007 at 19:46
LOL, Day Tripper.
Yes I’ll agree with your post, If I am to agree with anything.
What I want to know is.. What the heck happend the the old nick shows? I mean the real ‘old school’ shows. The original All That cast, Are You Afraid of the Dark? Any of you remember these? Kenan and Kel? Geez… this could go on forever. Rocko’s Modern Life?? Man. Nick has really gone down hill. I know that Nick couldn’t make a living by constantly repeating these shows, but come oooonnnn.
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by Mike M.
06 Feb 2007 at 20:21
Danielle, you get 1000 pts for that last comment. I totally agree with you, I really miss the old shows. Even the “new old” shows have began to disappear — like Invader Zim and the Angry Beavers. But I am so sad when I heard All That aired its last episode. Anyways, I’m probably getting off-topic, but I think we’ve all come to the same general consensus … America is the land of the ignorant.
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by DayTripper
06 Feb 2007 at 20:44
Now THAT’S the Nick I know and love. All the new shows are essentiallly make-shift copies of the old ones, just with much less orginality. The new generation tried to take the torch and carry on the “All That” series; unfortunatly they failed miserably.
I do miss those shows, and I agree Nick has really gone down hill, but they’re not the only ones– I agree with Mike too… “America is the land of the ignorant”
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by Danielle
07 Feb 2007 at 07:15
Well, a ‘majority’ of their shows are unoriginal. The Avatar: Last Air Bender, is a nice show, even though it wasn’t really created by Nick. Let us see what else there is… ok maybe that’s all they have currently… lol
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by Warren
07 Feb 2007 at 08:16
DayTripper:
Which was what led me to pay attention in the first place; the sound of Crazy Car was reminiscent of the Beatles, which isn’t of itself a bad thing. However — and I wonder if this will have any effect on the music in the show — it’s possible to play that sound out very fast. The Beatles themselves only used it extensively on two albums, “Rubber Soul” and “Sgt. Pepper”, and after that they were done with it.
Still, the tone and hook led me to look into the show … that, along with the CC video, which seemed to have some scenes in it that looked a little … off for a bunch of preteens. Which got me to thinking that maybe this show was going to (1) get a lot of attention; and (2) possibly be of unsound merit. This led me to post on the subject, way back in late December.
And lo what a worm-can I unsealed.
Brittany:
I can agree with the second half of your discussion here — the idea of a kid having a crush is perfectly sensible. It’s the first half that I take issue with, particularly the argument that seems to go something like this: 1. NBB is on Nick. 2. Nick airs shows for kids. 3. Therefore NBB is OK for kids.
This reasoning can be reduced to a maxim, which allows us to do some testing of the logic:
For any show X which is aired on Nick, the fact of show X being on Nick automatically makes it a kids’ show, and one which is OK for kids to watch.
This is basically a restatement of what you wrote; it’s saying in essence that if a show is on Nick it’s a kid-safe, kid-friendly and kid-intended program. Now that we have our maxim we can do some testing, and it seems to work for some titles we can plug in:
Avatar is aired on Nick and is a kid-friendly acceptable program.
SpongeBob is aired on Nick and is a kid-friendly acceptable program.
Jimmy Neutron is aired on Nick and is a kid-friendly acceptable program.
So far I think we’re on the same page … but the trouble comes when you start broadening the choices. What if X happens to be Preteen Girls Gone Wild?
I’m not suggesting — naturally — that Nick would air such a show; what I’m saying is that the conclusion (a show on Nick is automatically OK for kids to watch) is not based on a sound premise, the idea that a show being on Nick automatically means it’s OK for kids. In other words we’ve shown our maxim to be false and we’ve identified a fault in our reasoning: The premise is flawed.
One way to disprove a maxim is to invert it and test the inversion for truth — that is, you restate the maxim so it says the opposite of what it was originally saying, and see if you can find even one example to agree with it. For instance:
For any show X which is aired on Nick, the fact of show X being on Nick does not automatically make it a kids’ show, one which is not OK for kids to watch.
Simply by rephrasing the maxim, we can see that our initial case is falsified. In other words a show being on Nick doesn’t mean it’s necessarily OK for kids.
The solution is to abandon the maxim; that is, we have to begin by rejecting the assumption that simply because a show is on Nick means it’s OK for kids. After that we can analyze the programming without carrying a preconception — we can look at the lineup on Nick without working from the assumption that the shows are all OK for kids to watch.
This approach, by the way, works in the other direction too. For instance, you can just as sensibly argue that just because a show is on [adult swim] doesn’t mean it’s not OK for kids to watch it. The way to demonstrate that would be to use our restated maxim as an illustration of faulty reasoning:
Just because show X is on network Y doesn’t mean it’s good/bad for kids.
More generally…
The talk about “oldschool” Nick shows is funny. My idea of old-school Nick is You Can’t Do That on Television.
But then, I remember when MTV was new and good and actually played music videos.
I suppose that’s one of the things that irks me a little about comments from some of our younger correspondents. My generation was the vanguard that brought a lot of this stuff into the world. I have a pretty good idea what’s good and what isn’t from the perspective of both being a consumer and an adult, and am more likely to gravitate toward shows like Avatar or (on CN) Grim Adventures than NBB, because quality is considerably more important to me than flash-in-the-pan inane poppery.
The non-animé toon fare I more typically consume is on the AS lineup — Aqua Teen, Venture Brothers and Birdman (can’t stand the current dëth-mëtal phase AS seems to be going through). The animé stuff is usually esoteric and questions the nature of humanity, à la Lain, Elfen Lied or Ghost in the Shell.
And yes, if I ever have kids, they’ll be watching those shows, because they’re incisive and relatively well-made indictments of social foolishness.
NBB, on the other hand, is a 200-proof immersion into the very culture the AS lineup skewers.
That’s why I don’t think I’d worry too much about any kids of my own watching NBB. They’d have better taste than that.
(Can’t say I’m a Nintendo evangelist, though I think they got it right twice in a row, which in a very competitive game-console market is the equivalent to drawing an inside straight on one hand, and a royal flush on the second.
(And, of course, I love to whip out my big pink thing and play with it.)
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by Tiffany
07 Feb 2007 at 13:43
omg that video of alex and jesse was a joke i saw it the other day wen i was looking at music videos for nbb and it even said it was a joke i don’t even think it’s really alex and if you watch the movie nat says “alex why did we call yourselves the naked brothers band anyways?” and alex says “cuz we were naked at the time” and nat says “yea and we’re brothers!” i was watching a video the other day and their mom said this “when they were little i got them out of the bath and nat said ‘look mommy we’re the naked brothers band’ and it just stuck” that kind of stuff happens all the time just blurting out sumthing random and it sticking so it’s really stupid to be keeping your child from watching it cuz of that but i’m not gonna judge your parenting skills cuz everyone does it differently
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by Brittany
07 Feb 2007 at 17:56
“lso Brittney, I don’t know why you are bringing up the NBB’s name up again, when in previous posts we all agreed that the name wasn’t apart of anything important.”
Im just making a point. And its spelled brittany.
Heres an opinion of a KID. It’s nickelodeon. Would you rather have them watch Mtv where there swearing and actually having sex with people? So if they can’t watch nickelodeon then that pretty much means that they can’t watch disney. So what are they going to watch? Sesame street or barney?! I think that if you are at least 6 years old then your parents would let you watch nickeoldeon. I would watch nickelodeon when I was 4 years old and you don’t see my parents complaining. Im in 7th grade and I’m still a good kid. If you trusted your kids then youll earn their respect. If my parents didn’t let me watch a SHOW on nickelodeon then I would probably kill myself.
Tiffany is very smart.I have never heard of a family who didn’t let their kids watch nickelodeon. Times have changed and we dont live in the 1800s. Your kids will still grow up to be good kids. If your too over-protective then they’re not going to survive in the real world.
Oh and sorry for freaking out but it’s my favorite TV show and it actually inspires tons of kids. But you wouldn’t know cuz your not a kid. You may remember being a kid, but you’ll never completely remember.
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by Mike M.
07 Feb 2007 at 20:53
Hey Brittany,
I for one DON’T feel that kids shouldn’t watch Nickelodeon. Infact any parent who is that insane really has some serious issues. I think the following quote best sums it all up: “Just because you have kids doesn’t make you a parent.“
So no, I don’t think Nickelodeon is bad for kids.
I’ll also say that you’re right — this show isn’t that bad. Sometimes they talk about kissing, dating, boobies, and relationships but it’s not COMPLETELY horrible (thats actually normal for kids that are almost 13).
What am I saying is this:
1) The kids are only 10 or 11 — and hopefully you’ll agree they really don’t know too much about relationships — so why sing about it?
2) Just because I wouldn’t have a problem with the show if I was a parent doesn’t mean everyone else feels the same way. Some parents feel kids can should start discussing dating, boobies, etc at 9 yrs old — others feel they shouldn’t know about that till they’re 14. So regardless of my opinion — I wouldn’t be surprised if Nickelodeon got phone calls from some very ticked off parents.
And if you read what I said earlier, you’ll realize I actually agree with you. What I said is that some parents are REALLY REALLY up-tight, and they don’t let their kids see ANYTHING. Which then means that:
1) These kids are gonna get picked on at school, which isnt ever a good thing
2) The minute these kids finally do get to see something “bad”, its gonna be completely shocking to them since their parents never let ‘em see anything. So then these kids are probably gonna end up cursing, being rude, and talking about sex just so they can appear to fit in. And thats really the problem today, its these uptight parents that you seem to group me together with when I really am the complete opposite.
SOOOO .. in conclusion: If parents werent retarded and actually let their kids see “bad stuff” little by little — we wouldnt even be discussing this show. But in America, many parents dont have common sense — which is why this show has undergone so much criticism.
Understand?
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by Brittany
10 Feb 2007 at 19:05
Mike M.- I agree with most of what you said.
Oh and sorry about my mistake earlier, but Nat is actually 12 and Alex is 9.
And the whole thing about Jesse is a joke. I found out that Jesse Draper is an actress and she’s Nat and Alex’s cousin. So obviously Alex is just acting about wanting to be with Jesse.
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by canttellya
10 Feb 2007 at 20:37
This is probably the stupidest discussion I have ever seen. Seeing as I am probably not as old as most of you, you are probably not taking one bit of this to heart. But I personally love the Naked Brothers Band. If any of you haters actually took the time to watch all of the episodes, then you would realize that all of this X rated stuff that you are talking about is totally stupid. The only things that even slightly hint at relationships and etc. is the relationship between Nat and Rosalina. But that is just preteen puppy love. And if you also took the time to realize that this show airs on TEENick, than maybe you would realize that its your own fault if you are letting your 7 or 8 year old watch TEENick. When I was 7 and 8 there were tons of shows like All That, Taina and
Keenan and Kel that I would want to watch, but my mom didnt let me. Maybe every once in a while. Before you freak out about this harmless little show that is not ment to be bad in any way, maybe you should think about the fact that if you have such a problem with it, just block it or dont let your kids watch it and move on. Just because a bunch of protective “I dont ever want my kids to know about the real world” parents get upset over this, doesnt mean that the show has to be bad. Its a matter of opinion whether you think it is appropriate for your children to watch, but remember, this show is aimed for preteens or even teenagers. Ask any kid that watches nick about the nbb and they will simply tell you that it is a funny show about a band with funny songs. Then all of the parents come in and over-analyze every little aspect of the show and blow everything out of proportion.What kid even cares about the song lyrics or what the say at one point in the show! Kids forget, they move on! But all the adults have to swoop in with their protective bubble for their children and act like the nbb is the worst show on earth. Look at some disney shows with tons of kissing and references to the behind area. The bottom line is, this is a good show and all of you protective bubble parents need to just block it and move on! Get over it!
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by ally
10 Feb 2007 at 22:13
you guys this is stupid were all having an argument over something really stupid. for the people who don’t like the nbb maybe you should get off your lazy butt and do something because this isn’t going to help you any! well bye everyone i won’t come back because i just seem to make everyone else miserable so bye!
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by Say No To Naked Brothers
11 Feb 2007 at 06:25
Wow these kids can’t sing for jack and I’d be totally surprised if they were actually playing those instruments. The show itself is not far from soft porn either; with two preteen boys running around in their underwear and girls with very short skirts. In almost every scene you can see down the boys pants legs and up the girls skirts, it’s only a matter of time before they actually show a testicle or two, heck it has probably already happened and nobody noticed! The content of the show it was it is and not everyone will enjoy watching it, but for god sakes someone tell these kids to put some clothes on before it sets of more child molesters!
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by Mike M.
11 Feb 2007 at 18:53
Well I’m done posting on here, I got better things to do than argue online about a kid’s T.V. show. HOWEVER, if I ever decide to write a research paper about the Naked Brothers Band and its effects (or lack thereof) on children, I’ll be sure to send it to Warren so everyone can read it. But that’s probably not gonna happen since I’m already busy writing a paper that refutes the arguments against ideo game violence. lol, so I hope you have fun and make sure you get out every now and then to enjoy life
- Mike
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