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		<title>By: thetirdchimpanzee</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah - wired thing is, most my family - Vicodan just puts them out or does nothing.

One friend of mine - it makes her puke violently.

And yes, House is fiction...and also so is Avatar - which *totally* blew my vacation plans to Pandora when I found out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah — wired thing is, most my family — Vicodan just puts them out or does nothing.</p>
<p>One friend of mine — it makes her puke violently.</p>
<p>And yes, House is fiction…and also so is Avatar — which *totally* blew my vacation plans to Pandora when I found out…</p>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had Vicodin. What&#039;s funny about it is that it didn&#039;t do a damn thing to me.

I mean at all. Barely any somatic effects. I walked away from my gallstone attack in August ’09 with a full bottle of the shi&#039;ite by prescription, and it&#039;s still sitting on my medicine shelf, untouched.

But … wait … are you suggesting that &lt;i&gt;House&lt;/i&gt; is fiction or something?

Damn you for shattering my illusions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had Vicodin. What’s funny about it is that it didn’t do a damn thing to me.</p>
<p>I mean at all. Barely any somatic effects. I walked away from my gallstone attack in August ’09 with a full bottle of the shi’ite by prescription, and it’s still sitting on my medicine shelf, untouched.</p>
<p>But … wait … are you suggesting that <i>House</i> is fiction or something?</p>
<p>Damn you for shattering my illusions!</p>
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		<title>By: thetirdchimpanzee</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah...and as much as I love &quot;House&quot;...

1. NO ONE can maintain just a Vicodan addiction for years - it&#039;s called tolerance. After a while - your couldn&#039;t take enough to feel an effect - except death from liver failure caused by APAP (Tylenol) toxicity.

&amp;

2. Suboxone withdraw is not some horrible thing that gives you the DT&#039;s and sweats and horrific vomiting - that&#039;s caused by *cold turkey* quitting - suboxone is a &quot;soft landing&quot;....hell, most people don&#039;t even have to take a day off work to do it...that&#039;s the *point*

Also...

3. Sometimes it *is* Lupus!!! Lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah…and as much as I love “House”…</p>
<p>1. NO ONE can maintain just a Vicodan addiction for years — it’s called tolerance. After a while — your couldn’t take enough to feel an effect — except death from liver failure caused by APAP (Tylenol) toxicity.</p>
<p>&amp;</p>
<p>2. Suboxone withdraw is not some horrible thing that gives you the DT’s and sweats and horrific vomiting — that’s caused by *cold turkey* quitting — suboxone is a “soft landing”.…hell, most people don’t even have to take a day off work to do it…that’s the *point*</p>
<p>Also…</p>
<p>3. Sometimes it *is* Lupus!!! Lol.</p>
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		<title>By: thetirdchimpanzee</title>
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		<dc:creator>thetirdchimpanzee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And morphine is pretty much what heroin is metabolized into.

And the got *much* harder stuff - like oxycodone...fentanyl...Dilaudid (hydromorphone - which is like dozens of times more potent)...

Do yourself a favor - stay away from Vicodan or Percocet &amp; Oxycontin (the latter two both being oxycodone based) - even if you are in pain...the &quot;rush&quot; isn&#039;t there with pills - the effects kick in slower (and last longer) - but the bliss, the bliss...

And if you are depressed a lot...stressed...have an anxiety disorder...have OCD (opiates suppress the part of the brain responsible for anxiety and obsessions-compulsions) ...*that&#039;s* why people get hooked.

I wish they&#039;d never given me that first damn Vicodan. It hit me like a freight train...and I didn&#039;t even know I was *on* the tracks...

It&#039;s like Soran going into Nexus after his family and world were destroyed by the Borg (crappy movie, but the analogy fits)...it&#039;s takes away the pain. ALL THE PAIN.

Until it wears off.

Now mix *THAT* with the fact that it&#039;s actually chemically - not just psychologically - addictive...your body WANTS IT...NEEDS IT...WILL MAKE YOU *HURT* IF YOU DON&#039;T GET IT.

In fact - withdrawal is the *negative* of a high...it&#039;s PAIN...anxiety...fear...depression...warm fluffy clouds turn to sharp cold blades...

That&#039;s why people get hooked - not because they wake up one day and think &quot;Hey, I think I&#039;d like to flush my life down the toilet, what they fuck!?&quot;

Also...there was a reason Sherlock Holmes (yes, fictional) made a realistic junkie...people with higher IQ&#039;s and great artistic talent tend to get hooked easier...because it stimulates the brain...

Thankfully they have newer treatments like suboxone - like methadone but without the high (and without the deadly overdose potential) - blocks the (physical) cravings, doesn&#039;t get you high - and kicks any *other* opiates you try to take off the receptors (think &quot;instant withdrawal&quot; it you try to use)...and you can get it prescribed in a (specially licensed) doctor&#039;s office and filled at most pharmacies (no seedy methadone clinic visits...)

Yes, I&#039;ve had some experience...now I resign myself to the fact that I stay on the wagon more than off it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And morphine is pretty much what heroin is metabolized into.</p>
<p>And the got *much* harder stuff — like oxycodone…fentanyl…Dilaudid (hydromorphone — which is like dozens of times more potent)…</p>
<p>Do yourself a favor — stay away from Vicodan or Percocet &amp; Oxycontin (the latter two both being oxycodone based) — even if you are in pain…the “rush” isn’t there with pills — the effects kick in slower (and last longer) — but the bliss, the bliss…</p>
<p>And if you are depressed a lot…stressed…have an anxiety disorder…have OCD (opiates suppress the part of the brain responsible for anxiety and obsessions-compulsions) …*that’s* why people get hooked.</p>
<p>I wish they’d never given me that first damn Vicodan. It hit me like a freight train…and I didn’t even know I was *on* the tracks…</p>
<p>It’s like Soran going into Nexus after his family and world were destroyed by the Borg (crappy movie, but the analogy fits)…it’s takes away the pain. ALL THE PAIN.</p>
<p>Until it wears off.</p>
<p>Now mix *THAT* with the fact that it’s actually chemically — not just psychologically — addictive…your body WANTS IT…NEEDS IT…WILL MAKE YOU *HURT* IF YOU DON’T GET IT.</p>
<p>In fact — withdrawal is the *negative* of a high…it’s PAIN…anxiety…fear…depression…warm fluffy clouds turn to sharp cold blades…</p>
<p>That’s why people get hooked — not because they wake up one day and think “Hey, I think I’d like to flush my life down the toilet, what they fuck!?”</p>
<p>Also…there was a reason Sherlock Holmes (yes, fictional) made a realistic junkie…people with higher IQ’s and great artistic talent tend to get hooked easier…because it stimulates the brain…</p>
<p>Thankfully they have newer treatments like suboxone — like methadone but without the high (and without the deadly overdose potential) — blocks the (physical) cravings, doesn’t get you high — and kicks any *other* opiates you try to take off the receptors (think “instant withdrawal” it you try to use)…and you can get it prescribed in a (specially licensed) doctor’s office and filled at most pharmacies (no seedy methadone clinic visits…)</p>
<p>Yes, I’ve had some experience…now I resign myself to the fact that I stay on the wagon more than off it…</p>
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